hier j'ai retraverser la france d'ouest au sud-est,et partout y'en avait :-))
http://leweb2zero.tv/video/amilton_29462d6788692a8

Bonjour à tous, ces deux derniers jours le phénomène c'est amplifié, à mon avis il ce passe des choses très grave au-dessus de nos têtes ! qui me font présager le pire ... car pour moi, ça pourrai cacher des transports aériens militaires et secret ! avec toutes les horreurs que celà prévisage ! Ou alors, l'attack (HAARP) est déclenchée, et l'europe utilise ce moyen pour nous protèger ! Qui sait ! ce qu'il ce passe ...! il faut élucider ce mystère rapidement, et exiger des explications claire de nos gouvernements.

German Scientist Exposes
Chemtrails As Military Operations
Chemtrails are Covert Weather Warfare
Against Unsuspecting Populations
From Dick Eastman
3-16-8

A TV news report from Germany has confirmed that the German Military is manipulating the climate in Germany. As a result scientists have filed a lawsuit against the government for climate manipulation. ...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MVc9GX5K

The video concludes, "We can state with a 97% certainty that we have on our hands chemical trails (chemtrails) comprised by fine dust containing polymers and metals... The purpose of chemtrails, which are well documented over the United State and other parts of the world, according to researchers, is to manipulate the weather.
http://www.rense.com/general79/barium.htm

Karsten Brandt, German meteorologist states, "The Federal Army is Manipulating the Meteorological maps." ... Mr. Brandt in the interview, "I was surprised that this artificial cloud was so wide-spread. The radar images are stunning considering the needed tons of dispersed elements - although, the federal army claims that only small amounts of material were propagated. The military heads claim that the substances used are not harmful." ...


The forefront of these operations in the United States appears to be the US Navy, as detailed in "Death in the Air: Globalism, Terrorism & Toxic Warfare," by Dr. Len Horowitz. An alternative theory to direct toxification of the atmosphere to explain Chemtrails, is that a new weapon related to controlling weather events is being deployed. By creating droughts and thus famines, large populations could be easily controlled or eliminated. Other countries could be easily controlled and brought to their knees by a global power if the weather could be controlled or altered.

Johannes Remmel, German Green party representative states, "The government must provide explanations to the unsuspecting population." While radar is tracking suspicious aircraft, the Germany Military then uses counterfeit satellite imagery to hide their operations.

... In Germany, weather manipulation is prohibited, and I would likewise believe that it is prohibited in the U.S. as well.

Since Chemtrails are so widespread, I would rule out the idea that this is just military performing operations to disrupt radar signals as part of some sort of drill.

Many government watchdogs claim global depopulation, the targeted reduction of the world's population by two-thirds, is secretly the reason behind chemtrail spraying. ...

For a while I was confused between chemtrails, and contrails. Contrails are the exhaust of an air craft, it leaves a trail in the sky and the trail rapidly dissipates. With chemtrails, they initially look identical to contrails, but rather than the trail dissipating, the trail expands and then starts to look like a cloud. Over the Silicon Valley where I live, I daily witness these chemtrails starting and stopping from airplanes. In other words, the plane has control over the chemicals it is releasing. Also, I have noticed on some days the area is filled with a gray hazy muck, and the mountains almost disappear. This is highly unusual especially when just one day before, the mountains were totally clear.

Part of the undercurrents, at least in the United States, is the concept being marketing through radio, television and schools, that the earth is overpopulated. The idea of overpopulation, as the cause of our problems, was something that I had believed in for a time.

I believed in that idea until I realized the abundance of nature. Just seeing the amount of food produced by one healthy tree, and the millions of acres of unused land in central California, helped me understand Nature's abundance. ...


Humans are grossly misusing earth's delicate resources, and thus we have created an experience of lack and deprivation. The lack we experience is not natural, but a reflection of our disconnection from the source of life. ...

Every action, thought, and feeling has a cause and an effect. We all need to work together to bring more awareness to the dreaded reality - that our government seems bent on making this planet a military war zone. ...


Clandestine Weather Modification


By Dick Eastman

3-16-8



(For additional explanation http://www.rense.com/general79/barium.htm)


I spent several years on the "chemtrail issue" -- calling it "clandestine weather modification" and determining that it works like this: the cloud cover generated causes the surface of the earth (land or sea) to be cooler than otherwise -- which means that the air directly above the ground or ocean will be less warmed than otherwise -- which means less air will rise than would have risen otherwise -- which means the pressure in that area will higher than it would have been otherwise -- which means that air flows will be redirected -- note: whenever a high pressure area is to your right you will have wind at your back -- thus, to create wind at your back create high pressure at your right -- note within a note: air does not just move straight in to a low pressure area because of the spinning of the earth, that is because of the Coriolis Effect -- and thus with this ability to create higher than otherwise pressure -- if you have an amazingly high powered/fast computer -- the national science foundation computer is the fastest in the world -- and a powerful enough weather model (systems of simultaneous equations with thousands of real data coefficients all continuously updated) then you can control major weather events with this proviso: even with the most complete data, the best model and the fastest computer mankind's continuing inability to gather data and compute data out to enough decimal places will yield eventual bigtime error as approximation/estimate computations are multiplied too many times in computation (fancifully called the "chaos" effect) limits the ability to predict weather to perhaps a week or two -- however this is enough to modify weather because all that is needed is a succession of fresh short-term interventions -- continuous inverventions and continuous re-computing affording successive approximations to the desired effect to enable clandestine weather modification) -- and so parcels of air that are hot or cold, wet or dry, spinning or not spinning, can be redirected.


If hot air is contained in one area -- its movement slowed by high pressure areas blocking its usual movement -- that air will become hotter -- as when Yugoslavia was fried in 124 degree heat to bring down Milosovic -- the Sahara heat from the south was kept in the Mediterrainian area by chemtrailing creating high pressure in Central Europe where it would ordinarily have gone -- the air parcel just kept getting hotter. Also when you put "chemtrailed" cloud cover over the central Pacific south of the equator the higher-than-otherwise air pressure (remember the sea surface gets cooler than otherwise and the air above the sea does not get warmed as much as otherwise, the air does not rise as it would have, does not create the relative vaccum (low pressure) to maintain the wind -- so you stop the prevailing winds (the air moving west) and this in turn stops the South Equatorial Current which in turn stops the Peru Current behind it that normally brings cold arctic surface waters (and fish) up the west coast of South America -- and you have the El Niño effect which devestates the economies of many countries (including our own). The conspiracy is that El Niño and other high-impact weather events are now under control of private interests. Of course there are other aspects to it -- using the spin of one system to accelerate another of smaller scale -- changing the radius of a cyclonic system to speed it up -- and means of altering intensity of hurricanes by seeding near the wall of the eye etc. -- but I just wanted to present the simple model of redirecting weather movements by the creation of high pressure zones.

No critic on usenet weather and physics newsgroups has ever touched this argument -- the science is rock solid and the computation, modelling, monitoring and cloud-laying systems all exists -- and many people have agreed and many meterologists have said they are open to the possibility. One Israeli meterologist telling me that Israel gets 21 percent of its rain from weather modification. Also National Science Foundation has given its weather models and global weather monitoring feedback to Red China -- while it does not share it with the National Weather Service -- China are the world's experts in short-term weather modification -- we are left to guess what method they use. I suppose I would have gotten further in getting the word out if I didn't put so many ideas in one sentence all the time -- editing my own writing is impossible because when I try I only think of more qualifying and elaborating phrases to include etc. I invite anyone to break down the above and put it out on their own -- it never has recieved a clear statment for the general public -- this is something that everyone in the world should be made to understand. Forget the "Global Warming" myth -- which I believe is mere cover for what is really being done. One more thing: The people who are controlling the weather are more interested in destroying crops for geopolitical purposes (weaponized weather modification) and for economic purposes than for "benefiting farmers" -- buy futures (rights to buy in the future at a given price) in agricultural commodities and then destroy this crop around the world to raise the price (supply and demand) and make a killing. Did I mention that hurricane systems can also be steered by this process -- a hurricane is simply a spinning parcel of air. There is as much money to be made following a hurrican as there is following the invasion of a Muslim country. Katrina? And were tornadoes in Washington D.C. meant to send the same message as the anthrax scare? Perhaps we share the same suspicions. May I suggest that you will feel better if you talk about it.

Google Dick + Eastman + Clandestine Weather Modification in google groups from about 1998 to 2002 and you will see about a hundred messages with documentation, first hand observation, an inventory of the technology at the service of clandestine weather modification, debate, and forwarded letters sent to me from individuals around the world -- including a man who layed chemtrails over the Indian Ocean but didn't know what the mission was about. Unfortunately I left all this behind me following 9-11 and especially after the Pentagon security camera video was released in March 2002. One thing -- when you tell people about this they just reply by dropping the name HARP as if that magic word makes everything I have uncovered about the true purpose of "chemtrailing" irrelevant and so is forgotten. HARP is a system that can heat parcels of air (whatever else it does) and so can create low pressure areas -- or so I speculate -- but that does not change the fact that creation of high pressure areas by laying cloud is being done with disastrous effect on agriculture, water needs, farmers, regions hit by steered cyclonic weather and the general economy.

Bottom line: Chemtrails -- although less conspicuous than in the late 90's (perhaps because some of us are on to them) it is still being done and still a major crime (or should be a crime), mass-murder and a crime against humanity if there ever was one.

Here is an old message of mine, put up by rense in 2000, before I undertook to understand exactly what was being done:
http://www.rense.com/general/masschem.htm

BISES A TOUS

An Anonymous Email From An Airline Mechanic
For reasons you will understand as you read this I can not divulge my identity.

I am an aircraft mechanic for a major airline. I work at one of our maintenance bases located at a large airport. I have discovered some information that I think you will find important.

First, I should tell you something about the "pecking order" among mechanics. It is important to my story and to the cause to which you have dedicated yourself.

Mechanics want to work on three things. The avionics, the engines, or the flight controls. The mechanics that work on these systems are considered at the top of the "pecking order".

Next come the mechanics that work on the hydraulics and air conditioning systems. Then come the ones who work on the galley and other non-essential systems. But at the very bottom of the list are the mechanics that work on the waste disposal systems.

No mechanic wants to work on the pumps, tanks, and pipes that are used to store the waste from the lavatories. But at every airport where I have worked there are always 2 or 3 mechanics that volunteer to work on the lavatory systems.

The other mechanics are happy to let them do it. Because of this you will have only 2 or 3 mechanics that work on these systems at any one airport. No one pays much attention to these guys and no mechanic socializes with another mechanic who only works on the waste systems.

Fact is, I had never even thought much about this situation until last month. Like most airlines we have reciprocal agreements with the other airlines that fly into this airport. If they have a problem with a plane one of our mechanics will take care of it.

Likewise, if one of our planes has a problem at an airport where the other airline has a maintenance base, they will fix our plane.

One day last month I was called out from our base to work on a plane for another airline. When I got the call the dispatcher did not know what the problem was. When I got to the plane I found out that the problem was in waste disposal system. There was nothing for me to do but to crawl in and fix the problem.

When I got into the bay I realized that something was not right. There were more tanks, pumps, and pipes then should have been there. At first I assumed that the waste disposal system had been changed. It had been about 10 years since I had worked on this particular model of aircraft.

As I tried to find the problem I quickly realized the extra piping and tanks were not connected to the waste disposal system, at all. I had just discovered this when another mechanic from my company showed up. It was one of the mechanics who usually works on this particular type of plane, and I happily turned the job over to him.

As I was leaving I asked him about the extra equipment. He told me to "worry about my end of the plane and let him worry about his end!"

The next day I was on the company computer to look up a wiring schematic. While I was there I decided to look up the extra equipment I had found. To my amazement the manuals did not show any of the extra equipment I had seen with my own eyes the day before. I even tied in to the manufacturer files and still found nothing. Now I was really determined to find out what that equipment did.

The next week we had three of our planes in our main hanger for periodic inspection. There are mechanics crawling all over a plane during these inspections. I had just finished my shift and I decided to have a look at the waste system on one of our planes. With all the mechanics around I figured that no one would notice an extra one on the plane.

Sure enough, the plane I choose had the extra equipment! I began to trace the system of pipes, pumps, and tanks. I found what appeared to be the control unit for the system. It was a standard looking avionics control box but it had no markings of any kind.

I could trace the control wires from the box to the pumps and valves but there were no control circuits coming into the unit. The only wires coming into the unit was a power connection to the aircraft's main power bus.

The system had 1 large tank and 2 smaller tanks. It was hard to tell in the cramped compartment, but it looked like the large tank could hold about 50 gallons. The tanks were connected to a fill and drain valve that passed through the fuselage just behind the drain valve for the waste system.

When I had a chance to look for this connection under the plane I found it cunningly hidden behind a panel under the panel used to access the waste drain.

I began to trace the piping from the pumps. These pipes lead to a network of small pipes that ended in the trailing edges of the wings and horizontal stabilizers.

If you look closely at the wings of a large airplane you will see a set of wires, about the size of your finger, extending from the trailing edge of the wing surfaces. These are the static discharge wicks. They are used to dissipate the static electric charge that builds up on a plane in flight.

I discovered that the pipes from this mystery system lead to every 1 out of 3 of these static discharge wicks. These wicks had been "hollowed out" to allow whatever flows through these pipes to be discharged through the fake wicks.

It was while I was on the wing that one of the managers spotted me. He ordered me out of the hanger telling me that my shift was over and I had not been authorized any overtime.

The next couple of days were very busy and I had no time to continue my investigation. Late one afternoon, two days after my discovery, I was called to replace an engine temperature sensor on a plane due to take off in two hours. I finished the job and turned in the paperwork.

About 30 minutes later I was paged to see the General Manager. When I went in his office I found that our union rep and two others who I did not know were waiting on me. He told me that a serious problem had been discovered. He said that I was being written up and suspended for turning in false paperwork.

He handed me a disciplinary form stating that I had turned in false paperwork on the engine temperature sensor I had installed a few hours before. I was floored and began to protest. I told them that this was ridiculous and that I had done this work.

The union rep spoke up at this point and recommended that we take a look at the plane to see if we could straighten it all out. I then asked who the other two men were. The GM told me that they were airline safety inspectors but would not give me their names.

We proceeded to the plane, which should have been in the air but was parked on our maintenance ramp. We opened the engine cowling and the union rep pulled the sensor. He checked the serial number and told everyone that it was the old instrument. We then went to the parts bay and went back into the racks.

The union rep checked my report and pulled from the rack a sealed box. He opened the box and pulled out the engine temperature sensor with the serial number of the one I had installed. I was told that I was suspended for a week without pay and to leave immediately.

I sat at home the first day of my suspension wondering what the hell had happened to me. That evening I received a phone call. The voice told me "Now you know what happens to mechanics who poke around in things they shouldn't. The next time you start working on systems that are no concern of yours you will lose your job! As it is, I'm feeling generous, I believe that you'll be able to go back to work soon." CLICK.

Again, I had to pick myself from off the floor. As my mind raced, it was at this moment that I made the connection that what had happened to me must have been directly connected to my tracing the "mysterious" piping.

The next morning the General Manager called me. He said that due to my past excellent employment record that the suspension had been reduced to one day and that I should report back to work immediately. The only thing I could think of was "what are they trying to hide" and "who are 'THEY'"!

That day at work went by as if nothing had happened. None of the other mechanics mentioned the suspension and my union rep told me not to talk about it. That night I logged onto the Internet to try to find some answers.

I don't remember now how I got there but I came across a site that talked about chemically-laced contrails.

That's when it all came together. But the next morning at work I found a note inside my locked locker. It said, "Curiosity killed the cat. Don't be looking at Internet sites that are no concern of yours."

Well that's it. Now I know 'THEY' are watching me.

While I don't know what THEY are spraying, I can tell you how they are doing it. I figure they are using the "honey trucks". These are the trucks that empty the waste from the lavatory waste tanks.

The airports usually contract out this job and nobody goes near these trucks. Who wants to stand next a truck full of sh--. While these guys are emptying the waste tanks, it makes sense that they could easily be filling the tanks of the spray system.

They know the planes flight path so they probably program the control unit to start spraying some amount of time after the plane reaches a certain altitude. The spray nozzles in the fake static wicks are so small that no one in the plane would see a thing.

God help us all.

-- A concerned citizen

AND A CONCERNED HUMAN BISES

Pas mal de chemtrails en ce moment en BZH aussi...

Un très bon site sur le sujet
http://www.chemtrails-france.com/

Merci Pat2san

tiens en v'là un joli : http://medias.lemonde.fr/mmpub/edt/ill/2009/03/13/h_9_ill_1155656_0cea_losangeles.jpg

Qu est ce qui fait dire que ces nuages ne sont pas de simple trainé de condensation. Je trouve que c est du grand n importe quoi ce coup ci

J'observe avec une grande attention le ciel depuis quelques années pour mieux comprendre ce phénomène, il me semble que ce ne sont pas toutes les traces qui sont des Chemtrails. Il suffit d'observer le ciel, en fonction de sa nature du moment et de l'endroit les traces se maintiennent ou pas. J'ai constaté par exemple qu'un même avion ne laissera pas de trace dans une zone "très bleue" puis lorsqu'il pénètre dans une zone "embrumée", blanchâtre, des traces apparaissent. Ma conclusion est qu'il ne faut pas voir du Chemtrail dans toutes les traces dans le ciel, le Chemtrail existe sûrement, mais la majorité sont des contrails dûs à l'humidité plus élevée.

[quote]Ce site a beau être super sympa, il n'en sera pas moins drastiquement modéré, par une équipe de techniciens autoritaires. Le but en est simple, éviter les vidéos et propos :

- A caractère diffamatoire (imputation d'un fait portant atteinte à l'honneur ou à la considération de la personne physique ou morale, ou du corps auquel le fait est imputé) ou dénigrant[/quote]


étant élève-pilote (et actuel controleur aérien), j'estime que cette vidéo va totalement à l'encontre de cette partie du règlement.


explications :
ces trainées de condensation sont un phénomène physique expliqué et démontré des 10aines de fois!

elles sont dues à la détentes des gaz à la sortie des moteurs.

[quote]La longeur de ces traces sont de 200 a 400 métres!
Si la trace qui suivent ces avions en hautes altitude ne sont pas dégagés aprés cette distance, c'est que autre chose est en cour!!!!![/quote]

encore un ramassis de conneries!
ca ne sert strictement à rien de faire le malin en inventant des propriétés physiques.

juste pour t'humilier un peu plus :
ces avions volent à approximativement mach .8, ce qui fait à peu près 1150km/h, soit une vitesse comprise entre 200 et 400m par seconde. (je suppose que tu comprends que d'après ta définition, ces trainées ne dureraient pas plus de 1seconde...)




maintenant, réfléchissons de manière encore moins stupide!

pour que ces "chemtrails" aient le moindre petit effet, il faudrait disperser des centaines de milliers de milliards de tonnes de gaz dans l'atmosphère? au vu des turbulences, et vents que l'on rencontre en altitude, le tout se disperserait excessivement vite!

je veux en venir au fait que cela couterait des milliards de dollars (je suppose que dans votre t^te, ce sont les ricains responsables...) en plus de ca, il faudrait aussi des usines monumentales pour fabriquer ces gazs.
vous imagines vous aussi qu'il faudrait adapter un système sur TOUS les avions pour disperser ce gaz. (en effet, tous les avions produisent ce "chemtrail"). et étant régulièrement derrière des écrans de controle, je remarque énormément plus de transporteurs civils que des militaires.
ce qui est bête, c'est que ce système n'est sur aucun avion civil. ce n'est aussi sur aucun chasseur militaire. (et je n'en ai jamais vu sur des avions de tpt militaires... seulement, je ne les ai pas tous vu que pour pouvoir le prouver).



enfin, les personnes qui croient à ces chemtrails sont certainement les mêmes sortes de personnes que ceux qui croient au fait que les attentats du 9/11 sont une combine des usa pour envahir le moyen orient.
arrêtez d'avoir une imbécilité aussi proche de l'autisme, ca ne vous fait aucun bien!

Comme je te le dis c'est pas net cette histoire..
je ne suis pas météorologue, mais j'aime regarder le ciel depuis longtemps...
Contemplatif ils appellent ça!
Et j'ai bonne mémoire !
C'est récent ces traces ...
Et de plus en plus présent...
Atmosphère lourde comme un marécage tropical...
Silence
radio
et mauvais
comme un film de série b .

pourquoi ceci , pourquoi cela et bien parce que l'humiditée de l'air n'est pas la meme , donc la reaction , plus ou moins importante , et reste presente plus ou moins longtemps ; plus la température , l'altitude . ça rîme a rien . PS ici rien de special dans le ciel , je suis a l'extreme sud , les jours de tramontane c'est minime , les jours avec vent marin c'est plus grand et plus long a ce dissiper , donc le niveau d'humidité joue un role tres important ;

Tout c'que j'sais c'est que quand j'étais p'tit le ciel était plus bleu.

Je pense que certains balancent des sujets bidons afin de pouvoir décrédibiliser les vrais problèmes en faisant de l'amalgame.

..... http://incroyables-verites.over-blog.com/categorie-10339129.html

merci Pat2san !

Comme dit plus haut ces trainées sont crées par les reacteurs et non pas par les ailes... et y'a rien de bizarre dans ces trainées. Et si il y en a autant c est que le trafic aerien et tout simplement très important.
J'ai l'esprit très ouvert , je crois à la conspiration du 11/O9 par exemple mais ce sujet ,ya des grandes chances que ce soit de la pure betise.

Non , non , non stop là les gars avec les chemtrails c'est n'importe quoi, vous vous discréditez complétement, Je vous l'assure de bonne source, pat2san repose toi, un an de ta vie foutu en l'air, c'est triste à pleurer, putain de merde on est pas sorti là avec ces conneries, inutile d'envoyé des liens, çà fait penser à ces cons de bigots qui te mette la bible en pleine face pour t'assurer que "- mais regarde c'est écris là ... il l'a dis" Bordel de chiure à la con.

... http://leweb2zero.tv/video/hugues2_32499820dba2fe2

Mouai ! B2T tes coms volent moins haut que les avions en question... tu me parles d'une source sûre, je peux la voir STP, je suis certain quelle ne fera pas le poids face aux centaines de milliers de référence que tu trouveras sur google us... le web ne s'arrête pas au site de Karl ! Ces traînées au-dessus de l'europe cachent peut-être que des "broutilles" mais je préfère en avoir le coeur net ! et prendre l'initiative d'ouvrir le débat sur la géoingénierie, car cette technologie peut cacher toutes sortes de combinaisons et de mensonges !

@ patxy
un contrails(condensation de l'air)se produit a une longueur d'aile derrieres les reacteur(tu peux le verifier sur le site du norad ou autres)
alors si les chemtrails(condensation+saloperie en tout genre) n'existent pas,comment ce fait il que certaines traces dure plus longtemp que d'autres,pour ne pas dire des apres midi entiere,et que certaines de ces trace ceux produisent a moins d'une longueur d'ailes derriere les reacteurs?

tu parle d'imbecilitée proche de l'autisme,je te retourne le compliment,sort la tete de tes bouquins y'a juste a observer le ciel pour le voir!

Pourquoi oui, pourquoi ?

Allez les enfants , on réfléchit un petit peu, et on se reparle.

Les trainées durent plus ou moins longtemps suivant l'altitude de l'avion , la pression atmospherique, la temperature l'humidité... c'est pour cela que les avions ne laisse de traces qu'à partir d'une certaine altitude
Je trouve ce sujet de plus en plus ridicule.
Peut être qu on pulverise quelque chose au dessus de nos tête mais faut pas faire l'amalgame avec les trainées de condensation "classique" qui existe depuis que les avions à réaction existent.

Voila des liens interessan http://www.chemtrails-france.com/index.htm
et http://mondexplor.blogspot.com/2009/03/lallemagne-premier-pays-qui-parle.html

Bonne lecture ;-)

Au fait ... j'ai un site créé il y a quelques mois, et qui propose des liens et des vidéos ... mais qui mériterait une petite mise à jour !!! encore merci à tous pour vos témoignages !
www.pat2san.com

J'ai beaucoup de réserve sur le sujet .
On est bien loin de pouvoir contrôler le temps
Je ne vois pas l'intérêt du point de vue des gouvernant d'empoisonner sa population.
Si il y a recherche de quelque chose , je serais partisan de penser que c'est juste une recherche désespérée par la voie scientifique de trouver des solutions pour atténuer les effets collatéraux à venir du réchauffement climatique ainsi que la baisse du champs magnétique de la ceinture de van allen (inversion des pôles), mais à mon sens c'est peine perdue notre niveau technologique et de compréhension du climat est trop simpliste...
Plus intéressé à servir les intérêts financiers qu'à améliorer la perception du monde qui nous entoure ...