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le 05/04/2011 par totokop
Mélenchon-Besancenot, la rencontre (révolutionnaire) !

http://www.regards.fr/politique/une-rencontre-revolutionnaire

En 4 parties j ai pas réussi a mettre les 3 autres sa cloche !
 
le 05/04/2011 par tyty
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le 05/04/2011 par komedia
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le 05/04/2011 par medrawt
Où sont passé le bruit et la fureur, le tumulte et le fracas? C'est pathétique de les voir tout les deux regrouppé tel un seul homme derrière BHL et Sarkozy. BHL et Sarkozy qui se seraient converti à la révolution populaire le mois dernier, comme ça, comme une envie de pisser... C'est aberrant de soutenir cette horreur. Il y a vraiment quelque chose que j'ai du mal à capter chez Mélenchon, j'ai du mal à croire qu'il soit aussi débile.
le 05/04/2011 par dug
je vois pas ou tu as entendu cela... ils sont derrières bhl et sarko ??
tu as besoin de mes lunettes peut-être ?
il y a 4 vidéos à voir, dit à qu'elle moment tu as compris cela... http://www.regards.fr/politique/une-rencontre-revolutionnaire

ton sens de la mesure est impressionnant...
le 05/04/2011 par komedia
ils disent koi sur la guerre en lybie et en cote d'ivoire tes 2 copains?
le 05/04/2011 par dug
le front de gauche dit cela, pour le npa, j'en sais rien !

http://programme.lepartidegauche.fr/programme/8-chapitre-5--faire-la-paix/178-175-promouvoir-la-disparition-progressive-et-reciproque-des-armes-nrbc-nucleaire-radiologique-bacteriologique-et-chimique-et-lutter-contre-la-proliferation-des-armes-conventionnelles

"Propositions d’actions pour un désarmement multilatéral et contre la guerre nucléaire

- Réduire les arsenaux des USA et de la Russie en priorité ; (MI) (selon les modalités de suppression des armes chimiques) ;
- Interdire les essais nucléaires à but militaire (TICE) et obliger à la déclaration des armes nucléaires, avec contrainte sous peine de sanctions économiques ;
- Limiter l’usage des armes nucléaires existantes à la dissuasion (MI) et notamment :
OTAN/USA : proscrire les armes offensives mettant en jeu l’arme nucléaire. A ce titre lutter pour l’interdiction de la mise en place du nouveau système d’armes USA/OTAN en Europe de l’Est ;
Création dans le cadre de l’ONU d’un traité engageant les pays possesseurs de l’arme nucléaire à se limiter à la dissuasion de l’attaque de leur territoire dans son éventuel usage ;
Réduire les stocks pour tous les pays au minimum requis par la dissuasion
- Créer, dans le cadre de l’AIEA, une commission d’inspection spécialisée dans la réduction des arsenaux nucléaires.
- La vente des armes nucléaires et de leur technologie à des tiers doit être interdite et systématiquement contrôlée par l’AEIEA.
- L’accession à l’arme nucléaire doit être strictement soumise au besoin de dissuasion et donc contrôlée par l’AEIEA comme indiqué ci-dessus.
- La nucléarisation de l’espace est interdite et sera sanctionnée par l’ONU.

Propositions d’actions pour lutter contre la prolifération des armes conventionnelles
- Le principe selon lequel la France ne participera qu’à des coalitions multilatérales dont les membres ont signé tous les traités concourant au désarmement, conventionnel ou non, deviendra constitutionnel.
- Le contrôle des exportations d’armement interdira la vente d’armes aux Etats n’ayant pas ratifié tous les traités de désarmement
- La France agira pour de nouveaux traités internationaux ou régionaux limitant la prolifération de certaines catégories d’armes conventionnelles.
"

===> Pour le FN, c'est cela qu'ils disent eux !
http://www.frontnational.com/?page_id=1153
"
- la démagogie actuelle consistant à prétendre faire des économies aux dépens de la sécurité de la France non seulement constitue une faute morale, mais elle repose aussi sur un raisonnement économique faux. La France des trente glorieuses avec un budget de la Défense représentant 4 % du PIB était plus prospère que celle d’aujourd’hui avec un budget tombé à 2 %. De même, l’essor économique des États-Unis depuis les années Reagan est en partie lié à l’élévation des budgets militaires.
- la raison en est simple. Des budgets militaires élevés alimentent une industrie de la défense qui présente pour l’économie française de nombreux avantages. C’est une industrie :
- puissante, la deuxième d’Europe, avec 14 milliards d’euros de chiffre d’affaires annuel ;
-variée (armement, automobile, aéronautique, chantiers naval, informatique… mais aussi textile) ;
- constituée par des grands groupes et par 2 500 PME sous-traitantes, qui apportent des recettes fiscales à l’État ;
"

Même politique ? Ne t'arrête pas à untel ou untel, regarde les programmes !
Fait-on choix, ne ferme pas les yeux en restant sur tes convictions !
le 05/04/2011 par medrawt
Je suis d'accord sur beaucoup de choses avec Mélenchon mais je n'ai toujours pas compris sa position envers la libye et, oui, il s'est rangé derrière bhl et Sarko. J'ai du mal à croire qu'il soit naif au point de penser sincèrement qu'il sagisse, en Libye, d'une révolution populaire et citoyenne et non d'une guerre tribale.
Te méprend pas, je ne suis surement pas pour le fn, pour moi les gens de la masse prolétaire(dont je fais parti) qui votent pour le FN n'ont aucune réflexion politique. Voter Lepen quand on est ouvrier, c'est comme se tirer une bastos dans la tronche, un suicide pur et simple.
le 06/04/2011 par dug
je comprends mieux, mais je réponds aussi pour les anonymes lecteurs... 250 vues...
je suis bien d'accord avec toi...
"Voter Lepen quand on est ouvrier, c'est comme se tirer une bastos dans la tronche, un suicide pur et simple."

mais bon, sur le fond, je ne suis pas convaincu que cela soit une guerre tribale ni manipulé à l'origine... quand toutes les villes du nord, soutenu à priori par sa population, sont à l'origine de la révolution... les villes les plus riches de part le tourisme, en parti les plus ouverts sur leurs voisins...

mais bon, je crois que Mélenchon a peut-etre eu tord de voter cette résolution au parlement européen... mais son point de vue se comprend, peut-etre un peu terre à terre, voir naif... à méditer...

peut-être faut-il prendre le problème autrement ?
on est d'accord pour agir clairement contre un dirigeant qui tue volontairement et sans équivoque son peuple en masse (avec des moyens technique de ouf) ?
et si diplomatiquement ou économiquement l'action ne donne rien... on agit autrement ?
il y a vite plein de difficulté à la prise de décision... entre les infos potentielles, les manips en sous main, et l'impact de la décision à long terme...
enfin bon, il critique l'otan depuis longtemps... il pourrait aussi nous dire que nos bombes ont une ogive à l'uranium (si c'est le cas)...
le 07/04/2011 par komedia
quelle générosité,quel humanisme!!!
le 07/04/2011 par dug
hésite pas à argumenter ou détailler ta pensée !...
 
 
 
le 06/04/2011 par komedia
une sorte d'immolation par la flamme bleue blanc rouge en Somme...
 
 
le 07/04/2011 par totokop
Le NPA dit presque pareil
le 07/04/2011 par komedia
j'adore...
melanchon et besanceno sont dans un bateau...qui se pointent chez les russes et les kainkains pour leur expilquer qu'il faut réduir leur arsenal...
le 13/04/2011 par totokop
il suffit de continuer les traiter actuel et de virer le patrio act qui relance la course a l armement notament avec les missiles anti missile , tout démanteler d un coup sa ne marchera pas , tu sait qu il y avez plus 40 000 missiles balistique dans les année 60 en pleine guerre froide , il en reste a peu prêt la moité mais beaucoup trop ses clair
Quand tu dit sa ont diez Cohn bendid lol ! le problème ces que sa marche pas déjà parsqu il faut les installation chaque nation a 1 site de démantèlement , les USA et les Russes en avez 2 , ils ont fermer chacun 1 , rien n est fige ok mais ses pas a coup de baguette magique , ils ont pas démanteler 20 000 têtes nucléaire avec des tournevis lol
Mélenchon avec un E , tu peut essayer de te pointer et leur demander mais personne ni arriverait , la seul façon ces de négocier d abords l arrêt immédiat de la course a l armement notamment les missiles anti missile , et la les russes voudrons discuter autour d un thé sinon tu perd ton temps et ton argent et même si tes copain avec eux lol
Salutation .............
 
le 13/04/2011 par totokop
Si JLM ne passe pas ses pas grave , temps que ses le candidat du FDG lol avec le Programme bien sur , celui du renversement des tables !
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
le 05/04/2011 par zigzag
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le 05/04/2011 par dug
j'ai trouvé cela intéressant moi.
c'est du blabla parce qu'ils ne disent pas les refreins que tu attendais ?

la différence de vu entre un mélenchon et besancenot sont importantes, et c'est des questions qui reviennent ici aussi...

tous dans la rue, on va tout pété, etc...
Il y a différente voie pour le changement, et ils sont bien défini par ces deux parties. Maintenant, il n'y a pas que la façon de changer les choses, il y a surtout par quoi on change les choses, et là dessus, il y a largement la place pour un rapprochement pour un programme d'action.

l'abstention n'est pas une voie pour amener un changement de mon point de vue.
pas de candidat du npa, dsk pour le ps... il y a vraiment 2 gauches qui se profile et qui est logique idéologiquement. Besancenot en a fait l'analyse correctement.

Le front de gauche a moyen de changer réellement les choses, de manière directe en passant le 2ème tour, ou de manière indirecte, en déteignant sur le ps, on le voit pour l'augmentation du smic, pour les salaires maximum, peut être même pour une représentation parlementaire.
tout cela, certain s'en foute peut être, mais ils ont peut être tord...
le 05/04/2011 par arnaud3333
dés lors où l'on mystifie ou glorifie quelque chose tu peux être sûr d'être trompé par ta désillusion.

Ouais, car c'est une belle illusion de croire en des croyances.
Qu'est ce que la politique face aux relation humaine ? basé une systémique comme tu le fais par la politique c'est entrée dans le triangle dramatique de Karpman mon gars et c'est ce que j'essaie d'expliquer depuis un pti bout de temps sûr de site. Non pas ma vérité mais leur illusion qui assouvie la haine et la division.

L'évolution c'est en toi et nul part ailleurs, arrêtons de critiquer et soyons un exemple de ce que c'est être en accord avec ses pensées et ses actions (partant du postulat que la liberté est en soi..par exemple).
le 06/04/2011 par dug
heu... tu parles de principe de changement ?

pour le changement, il n'y a pas 36 possibilités pour le changement... :
- par la politique, avec du temps
- par la grève général (peut-etre), à voir combien de million il faut dans le rue (cf retraite)... en espérant qu'il n'y est pas trop de mort... cf tunisie ou egypte, et en espérant que la révolution ne soit pas détourner...
- un super méga taux d'abstention qui fasse comprendre par magie le pouvoir en place d'être gentil :)
- par le changement de soi... c'est sur que si tu estimes que tout est géré par en haut, que tout le monde est réincarné, et que le destin dirige tout... en gros, tu changes de lunette pour voir le monde autrement (peut-etre plus correctement)...
- une révolution des mentalités, grâce à une vrai utilisation d'un super outil de communication comme le net
- un gros cataclysme qui remettent tout le monde a égalité (c'est foutu rien que par rapport au mentalité qui n'auront pas changé)
- une révélation sur les extra-terrestres qui fassent que tout le monde soit d'accord... (lavage de cerveau par l'extra ?)

je vois pas d'autres solutions de changement...
je ne base rien de systématique, je m'interroge sur les possibilités de changement... je suis preneur d'autre possible...

pas de npa, surement dsk...
en attendant, 2012, l'année prochaine, si on est une majorité pour le front de gauche, cela changera assez nettement, et sera la première pierre pour un changement en profondeur...
c'est la voie la plus rapide à mon avis...
le 06/04/2011 par arnaud3333
certains pense par la politique moi par l'individu.
Solipsisme ! souveraineté personnel ! carpe diem !
des mots obus qui disait le méluch franc maçon de surcroits qui connait l'importance des mots et qui y croit.

Quand d'autre dise révolution, moi jdit évolue en toi, quand d'autre dise unicité moi jdit solipsisme bref chacun sa vision, seulement la politique divise et fais entrer les gens dans la croyance que par procuration ils pourront changer les choses, les conditionnements à n'être que des assistés. Et qui voit la liberté d'esprit et de corps comme une utopie, comme un film, fermant leur imagination, leur rêve, rendant tout complexe, plus de bon sens, et où les choses simples sont des faiblesses. Crie du coeur ? non rencoeur envers se que toi, être surement sensible pense bon pour toi et pour les autres, et qui dans les actes nous prouves le contraire.

Ce n'est pas parce que ces gens ont des responsabilité qu'ils sont bon, ce n'est pas parce qu'il sont érudit culturellement parlant qu'ils sont sage, ce n'est pas parce que ces gens savent bien parlé qu'ils laissent parlé leur sagesse, ce n'est pas parce que ces gens sont médiatiser qu'ils sont écoutable. Ce n'est pas parce que ces gens sont légitime face à une majorité de gens qu'ils sont la vérité. Toute chose existé avant qu'ils nous en parlent.
Changeons de paradigme au lieu d'édulcoré une conscience collective dans la perdition.
le 06/04/2011 par dug
je vois très bien ta façon de voir les choses...
peut être qu'il y a une conscience planétaire, ou un nuage de pensé positive et négative, peut être que tout est un rêve, peut être que les rêves sont une forme de réalité...
ok, mais le problème, c'est comment être en paix avec soit même, en connaissant nos modes de vies... quoi que l'on fasse, quand on allume la lumière, on consomme du nucléaire... et l'uranium ne pousse pas dans mon jardin, même si je me le répète devant la glace pour m'en convaincre...
il y a le monde spirituel, chacun pense ce qu'il veut, chacun essaye d'évoluer dans le bon sens, tant mieux...
sauf que notre outil de décervelage qu'est la télé a de plus en plus le pouvoir sur notre mentalité... cela ne va pas en s'arrangeant quoi, donc les mentalités ne vont pas évoluer en masse, sur le web2zero, ce n'est pas le cas, mais ce n'est pas la même audience...
et pourquoi voter et s’intéresser à la politique te rendrait croyant en quelques choses ? en quoi cela serait une pensée négative, ou qui ne permettrait pas d'évoluer intérieurement ?
enfin bon.... fais comme tu le sents, mais ne crois que les personnes qui votent sont terre à terre, son croyant dans ce pouvoir, ou quoique ce soit... ne juge pas les autres, réfléchis pour toi. Des personnes sont mortes pour avoir le droit de vote, pour fonder une république, et pour que tu puisses vivre comme tu vis, en te permettant de t'intéresser à plein de domaine varier...
le 07/04/2011 par komedia
des personnes sont morte pour Dieu!
que penses tu du vote par sms?
 
 
le 07/04/2011 par totokop
Tout divise , la politique peut aussi réunir , changer en soit n est pas opposez a changer les système , il le sont que si ont le veut bien , l individus jusqu a preuve du contraire sur cette planète vie en communauté , ont peut aussi s isoler personne ne dit le contraire mais aussi essayer d apprendre et d aider le collectif

La politique change les société , il les modifie mais ont chacun sa vie , sont foyer ; sa bulle , sont royaume , quand la politique ne fait plus sont rôle ou et corrompue je sais pas la logique des choses ces dans changer , tes pas obliger que de regarder et de cultiver ton propre jardin , tes roses dans ton cosmos , ses un choix , le libre arbitre !

Ont apprend beaucoup a essayer d aider les autre surtout ceux qui ont dans le cœur pour changer les fondation d un système qui oublie beaucoup d humain sur les routes , je suis tomber sur des gens en retraite et qui milite depuis 40 , 50 ou 60 ans , des truc de ouf , moi qui suis encore un puceau lol , j observe , j écoute , la plupart sont persuader que les choses évolue déjà mais pas assez , qu ont peut allez plus loin , qu il n y aucune raison de laissez sur les route , sa m arrive de faire des bouffes avec ses gens , j avoue que j aime bien souvent je vient a l heure du repas de midi pour prendre la témpé et m imprégner de leur hourra , j ai pas dit aura lol

Ses surprenant comment les gens autour d une table ceux livre , sourit , milite et refont le monde et chacun a sa sauce mais tous pour de vrai évolution humaine , une tite table ronde , ya toujours trop de monde donc ont est la a ceux serrez du coude lol trankilou !

Rêve évolution je suis déjà dedans donc je ne sais pas ceux que veut dire évolution demain pour mon moi ou révolution du soit , je prendrez surement tout dans la gueule comme dab , pour l instant ceux qui m intéresse ses l instant , le présent de partager , de communiquer etc...

Ah bien sur ont aimerez que tout ceux passe comme dans nos têtes ont ceux fait les idées , qu il n y est rien sur les chemins , ni barrières , ni arbres tomber ou rochers , mais sa ne serrez pas si vivant que sa si tout était déjà tracer non ?

Paf une pierre je me suis frotter la gueule sur le sentier soit disant tracer merde s était quoi une racine !

Le FDG a voter pour une résolution de l ONU mais manque de cul l OTAN ses amener juste après que ceux fut voter et il essayent de baiser tout le monde

Rien ne dit qu ils y arriverons et puits les devins une fois les choses arriver ont en trouve a la pelles , mais avant ses marrant sa n existe pas , enfin peu importe ses la vie , ont ne prévoit pas tout même en pensant être informer , déjà juste ceux mot avec nos médias , accroche toi moumoune

A propos il me semble que la conscience est pour tous , elle est collectif , il me semble mais bon je n est que le niveau de la sentir et encore lol

Salutation Éternel lol !
 
 
 
 
 
 
le 06/04/2011 par bande2tare
Je trouve que Mélenchon devrait mettre une capuche. et Besancenot une cravate.
le 07/04/2011 par komedia
Et moi je trouve que morts ils seraient mieux.
le 07/04/2011 par totokop
Oui mais ils sont vivant mon grand et va falloir compter sur eux pour mettre des battons dans les troues Lepeniste et Soraliste , le couple d enfers !
le 07/04/2011 par komedia
mouhahahaha*
avec sarko au manettes depuis...?quand déjà?
compter sur eux?
le 07/04/2011 par totokop
Tu sait si tu regarde l histoire il n arrive pas a tout réussir les crapules de services , regarde De Gaulle ?? 21 fois il l ont pas eu , il ses éteint pépère devant sont feu , en Island ? il ont pour l instant dans l os , en Amérique du sud ? argentine , Vénézuela etc...
pareil , ils ne réussissent pas tout , même en Afrique ou Maghreb , Sarko n est pas aux manette tu le sait bien et j aimerez bien justement que nos dirigeant ceux rendre compte que Sarkosy n obéis cas l OTAN parsque la ont risque de ceux faire niquer , Sarkosy ne sais jamais cacher avec eux donc sa serrez bien que les gens ouvres leur yeux , pour l instant l OTAN n est pas dans l affaire a 100 % , ils faut qu ont arrive a les virer ses plus simple comme sa , ya pas besoin de l OTAN !
 
le 07/04/2011 par tasmant
C'est le vieux de Marine et son influence sur la droite qui sont aux manettes, depuis 2002...
Sans aucun résultat.
Mais libre à toi de considérer que le passé forge, par photocopie des utopies anciennes...
Dans le flou, dans le vague, Marine est la plus superwoman de tous les temps...
Dans le concret, ça fait franchement débilos....
Marine est capitaliste.
Je suis mondialiste de partage.
Liberté, Egalité, Fraternité, pour le monde entier.....
Mais les français riches vont y perdre...
Heureusement qu'ils ont miss LePen, l'alliée de Sarko et de DSK.
Pour jamais voir un monde en face.
 
 
 
 
 
le 07/04/2011 par kenovo
Je n'accorde plus aucun crédit à Besancenot, parce que quand on pense NPA on pense Besancenot et ce dernier, je le redis, ne se présentera pas!!!!
Resultat à part faire un parti dont les adhérents auraient été de toute façon du coté du parti de gauche,qui n'a pas de candidat,mais qui divise les voix, et parti douteux pour certains!!!
Moi ce que je vois c'est qu'on en l'entend presque plus parler le facteur parce que il n'a pas a se faire élire qu'est ce qu'il pourrait dire de plus que ce qu'il n'a déjà dit!!!Il n'intervient pas sur l'actualité et ne se dit pas empêché ou brimé c'est donc un choix!!!
le 07/04/2011 par matricule44
mouais, j'ai tendance à être fataliste, et à croire qu'aucun autre parti que la droite, la gauche ou le fn ne puisse être au deuxième tour, malheureusement.

Et donc, fatalistement parlant, les autres partis m'apparaissent comme des urinoirs en forme de violon.
Mais je dit ça au sujet des élections..
à coté de ça pour le partage ou la diffusion des idées, ou encore le porte voix qu'un parti peut représenter, aucun d'entre eux n'est inutile...en y réfléchissant..

Mais c'est qu'un point de vue, j'en ai d'autre..
Comme celui ou j'ai l'impression que le vote est une grosse arnaque.. quand on voit systématiquement des scores du style 51/49, ou 50.3/49,7, lors d'un deuxième tour gauche/droite...
j'ai du mal à croire que les intentions de vote soient si peu contrastés...
Pile poil fifty/fifty, ... elle est bien faite la vie, non?
le 07/04/2011 par matricule44
J'avais un collègue qui disait:
La droite y t'enculent en te fouettant, la gauche en te caressant le dos...
j'étais jeune quand y m'a dit ça..
Maintenant, je suis pas beaucoup plus vieux, mais je crois qu'il avait tout compris.

Exemple, parce que j'ai toujours naïvement tendance à croire que la gauche c'est super mieux que la droite :
Témoignage direct de la femme d'un pote de mon ancien patron qui travaillait dans les bureaux de ségolène royale, elle lui a raconté cette histoire:

Arrivée à son QG, élue député des Deux Sèvres, entre autres décisions Ségolène a voulu changer sa voiture de fonction, qui selon elle avait une allure trop voyante, pas assez de gauche mon fils.
On lui présente donc un modèle moins tape à l'œil, mais quand Dame royale l'examine:
Horreur! .. il n'y a pas d'intérieur cuir.
Dame ségolène ordonne donc à ses servants de faire changer l'intérieur du carrosse par un revêtement de cuir, plus en accord avec l'humeur délicate de son royal fessier.
Résultat, le cout de l'opération additionné à celui du nouveau carrosse s'élevait finalement à un prix supérieur à la voiture initialement pas assez de gauche.
Et cerise sur le gâteau :
La première voiture était toujours dans le garage... au cas ou, pour les amis...

Alors certes, on ne parle là que de quelques milliers d'euro, mais je redoute fort que ce genre de détail ne soit que la partie émergé de tous ces cols blancs/ tailleurs sur pattes.
Pour la plupart ils sont tous potes, ils sont allés dans les même écoles et mangent dans les même restos...

Appelons cela comme on veut, ploutocratie ou autre, mais j'ai vraiment du mal à jouer le jeu ..
le 07/04/2011 par matricule44
En fait cette péripétie de ségo illustre parfaitement ce qui m'exaspère le plus en politique:
la politique de l''apparence

Je comprend qu'en politique il faut se forger une image, c'est normal. Mais ce serait bien si ce n'était pas qu'une image..
 
le 07/04/2011 par kenovo
Mais moi Matricule je ne pense que les politicards en place, à part JLM qui a des bonnes idées, soit des partisans du peuple!! Tant qu'on reste dans le système et qu'on vote pour des gens qui ne veulent le détruire , on tourne en rond et oui ce n'est pas propre en général ce qui est au pouvoir!!Bien que dans ton allégation,sur gauche /droite ,il ne faut pas oublier qui roule pour qui;ET que des gens de gauche feront des reformes de gauche, plus porté pour le peuple !!!
Personnellement je suis comme Desproges qui s'est dit d'une sensiblité de gauche!!!Le même qui a dit :"quel gauche? Celle du fumier ou la rose est éclose" (entre autre!!)!!!!
JLM représente une chance d'avenir plus égalitaire!!!!Avec Marine nous rentrons dans un vrai pays fasciste!!!!!
GROSSE DIFFERENCE!!!!!!!!!!!!!
le 07/04/2011 par kenovo
Honnetement en place, je ne sais pas de quoi JLM est capable,certains aspect de sa personnalité m'inquiète mais il fera bouger les choses plus a gauche je pense,après une hyperdroite décompléxée!!!On va pas se coltiner les nazis!!!!!!
le 07/04/2011 par matricule44
Ouais j'ai un peu plus confiance en JLM moi aussi, quoi qu'on en dise, sauf que dans la france de l'an 2000, aucune chance qu'un type comme jlm se fasse élire...
Et s'il était quand même élu, il finirait comme Beregovoy↓
http://leweb2zero.tv/video/aldwinn_224886bec4e6f18

Couic!

(à noter que ce doc est passé sur france télévision... incroyable...mais c'était encore au siècle dernier...)

Je crois pas au changement, ou pas dans l'immédiat.
En même temps, qui sait ce qui peut encore arriver d'ici les éléctions...
le 07/04/2011 par kenovo
Si JLM ne passe pas on va suivre les pays arabes dans la révolution, l'ami!!!!
No pasaran!!!!!!!!Ca va finir pas péter!!!!
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
le 08/05/2011 par reineroro
le 08/05/2011 par kenovo
héhéhé bonjour Reine,
le bellliqueux!!! je crois qu'il mordra le cordon juste pour la douleur celui là!!
le 08/05/2011 par reineroro
Ahaha, bonjour Kenovo :-)
 
 
 
le 08/05/2011 par kenovo
Des immigrés fraichement naturlisés sont fier d'être français et trouvent qu'au niveau immigration il y a eu de l'abus!!!
Des sites sur la sauvegarde de la race blanche existent mais ne voterait pas pour Marine qui rappelons le fait parti du nouveau FN light!!!
Des radiations envahissent le monde via la cata du japon qui aurait pu venir de haarp, heureusement la ganja et la roche volcanique de la famille des Zéolites ,peuvent décontaminer les sols!!!
Le Thon est toujours menacé!!! La baleine aussi dont les déjéctions jouent un role important dans l'écosystème planctonien entre autre!!!
Les japonais sont de tres gros consomateurs d'especes menacées (dauphins,requins, baleine,thon...);Coup du destin? Gaia? ovnis? HAARP? On a le droit de se poser la question.

Contre les radiations:sel de Nigari, Argile, Charbon activé

Le Web de Zero est actuellement en Stand by je ne sais ou contacter Karl , jer l'ai fait sur ce site mais je vais tenter BFM .
Si ce site souffre d'un manque de budget, il pourrait vivre comme l'a fait "Arrêt sur Image",nous pourrions le financer, même si le Boss n'était plus Karl!!!!! et oui parfois il faut savoir mettre la main a la poche!!!Car quelq'un l'a fait remarquer ce site n'est pas comme les autres sinon bien sur il serait quelconque!!!!Ce qui n'empêche que d'autres sites valent le coup mais eux sont eux et par conséquent seuls le W2Z est le W2Z , idiot non? mais tellement vrai!!!!!
Vive l'égalité, la fraternité, les femmmes,la mienne, mes exs, les gens, l'enfant qui viendra peut être un jour, pas celui qui a failli, celui qui se présentera,pour en faire un être humain et lui apprendre a reflechir et ne rien boire sans connaitre au préalable le contenu!!
Je vous souhaite a tous de réaliser vos rêves, bénédiction ponctuelle, sincère et définitive!!!Ce post n'est pas une conclusion mais un post, du moment diront nous;Qui se noiera parmis les posts,de la transition entre quoi et quoi je ne sais pas; Mais assurément d'un second et nouveau souffle pour ce site !!!
 
le 08/05/2011 par kenovo
Alévèque, non sans rappeler Coluche (pompage pompeux de citations journalistique!!), se présente en 2012!!!!
VRAI DE VRAI!!!
le 08/05/2011 par reineroro
Concernant son programme, note qu'il affiche et revendique un vide béant. "Je pars avec une feuille blanche, ce qui est le summum de la démagogie et du populisme" ahaha
A savourer http://dazibaoueb.fr/article.php?art=22765
le 11/06/2011 par totokop
Contenue Effacé !
 
 
 
le 09/05/2011 par charlitoune
Salut Reineroro..bisous.

Je verrai très bien les humoristes remplacer les hommes politiques....ça nous changera des comiques qu'on se trimbale depuis 60 ans.
 
le 10/06/2011 par tyty
le 11/06/2011 par totokop
ha merci tyti j ai enfin la phrase que Soral fini par cracher , il chie toujours ces truc quand il se sent bien pépère a la maison dans un canapé bien confortable , depuis le temps sa ne pouvez car arriver , il dit bien Judaïsme égal sionisme , ont pourra pas nous chiez cette fois que ses inventer de toute pièce , sacré Soral va , quand a la vidéo ses possible que sa sente pas bon , j avoue que je doute aussi mais ses aussi que non , donc je remercie pour cette trouvaille , bonne journée et bon wenk end !
 
 
le 14/06/2011 par dug
un peu de lecture, sur un billet intéressant :
"Euro fort et dollar faible, révolution citoyenne au Pérou, Sarkozy tancé par le Golem, et nous ?"
http://www.jean-luc-melenchon.fr/2011/06/11/ca-sent-le-gaz/

et sinon, le mois dont parle l'admin est en quelle année ?
comment couler un site en 1 leçon...
le 14/06/2011 par dug
extrait:
"
Arroseurs arrosés ! Sarkozy et Fillon se sont fait rappeler à l'ordre par la Commission européenne. Celle-ci rendait mardi ses instructions pour les budgets 2012 des Etats membres. Eh oui! Depuis Janvier 2011, le "Semestre européen" permet à la Commission, non élue, de décider de l'orientation des budgets nationaux que les gouvernements, élus, eux, lui proposent désormais docilement chaque année en Avril. Et la piétaille démocratique a plutôt intérêt à traduire "en mesures concrètes" les "recommandations" de la Commission et du Conseil européen qui les examine et décide de les valider ou non. Sinon la Commission procède automatiquement à des sanctions. Oui, des sanctions ! Et pas de plus légères ! Jusqu'à 0,5 % du PIB national. Logique : vous manquez d’argent donc pour vous aider à en trouver on vous en prend un bon paquet ! Qui peut s’y opposer ? Personne. Car le Conseil européen ne pourra les rejeter que s'il le décide à la majorité de ses membres. Si personne ne dit rien, hop, c’est fait. Et quant à trouver une telle majorité, autant rêver dans ce panier de crabes libéraux ! Cette petite merveille démocratique s'appelle la "majorité inversée".

Tout cela, le gouvernement Sarkozy l'a fait voter en Octobre 2010 sans demander son avis au peuple. Il est donc coupable de la mise sous tutelle de la politique française. Il est aussi complice des mesures drastiques que la Commission impose la main dans la main avec le Conseil européen. Le verdict de la Commission sur le budget proposé par le gouvernement est sans appel: trop optimiste sur la réduction de son déficit et de la dette, pas assez précis dans ses mesures, et sa réforme constitutionnelle est entourée de trop d'"incertitude politique".
"..."
La Commission européenne veut que la France approfondisse la "réforme" du système des retraites de 2010. Ca commence fort ! Le prétexte? Ce système "deviendra vraisemblablement déficitaire". Cela signifie que personne à la Commission ne sait que la dernière réforme a sauvé le système ? Donc, personne ne croit Sarkozy ? Dans cette enceinte non plus ? Elle veut aussi que la France modifie sa législation sur la protection de l'emploi qui "reste trop stricte". Chère « Europe qui nous protège »! Mieux vaut bien connaitre ce qui est demandé pour comprendre l’ampleur de ce qui est demandé. La commission dénonce en effet les dispositifs d’indemnisation et de limitation des licenciements, notamment les licenciements des employés en CDI et les "lourdes obligations de reclassement qui s'appliquent aux licenciements collectifs de masse". On peine à le croire, mais c’est bien le texte d’injonctions qui a été adressé à notre pays.
"
 
le 15/06/2011 par tyty
merci pour l'info
mais ce melenchon est une honte pour la gauche et ceux qui recherche une nouvelle voie
le 15/06/2011 par dug
je ne vois pas ou est la honte...
et pour la nouvelle voie, je dirai que c'est un bon début, le changement de cap étant le plus important, rien ne sert d'être trop gourmand, l'essentiel étant de rassembler pour agir...
- 6ème république
- planification écologique
- anti productiviste

Mélenchon étant celui qui peut le plus rassembler, qui parle bien et clairement, je vois pas ou est le problème...
tu la vois ou la honte de ton point de vue ?
le 15/06/2011 par grandmereenpetard
Mélenchon est un franc-maçon.
le 16/06/2011 par dug
et ?

faut pas regarder que des vidéos conspirationniste, il faut trouver la voix du milieu... http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franc-ma%C3%A7onnerie_en_France
"Il y a, en 2005, environ 135 000 adhérents aux diverses loges maçonniques."

cela en fait des pourris... quand je pense qu'il y en a un qui a osé donner son point de vue sur ce site... ça fait froid dans le dos...

"
Le 20 février 2002, à Paris, les Grands Maîtres, Grande Maîtresse et Présidents de 9 obédiences32 signent le texte fondateur de la « Maçonnerie française », expression dont le Grand Orient de France dépose la marque :
« [...] À l'écart des controverses partisanes, engagées dans une démarche initiatique qui émancipe les consciences, les obédiences maçonniques françaises affirment en commun :
-La primauté d'un parcours équilibré entre démarche initiatique, pratique d'une méthode symbolique et engagement citoyen et social ;
-Le rejet de tout dogmatisme et de toute ségrégation ;
-Le refus de tous les intégrismes et de tous les extrémismes ;
-La volonté de travailler à l'amélioration de la condition humaine, aux progrès des libertés individuelles et collectives :
-La défense et la promotion de la liberté absolue de conscience, de pensée, d'expression et de communication ;
-La défense et la promotion de la laïcité, liberté essentielle qui permet toutes les autres ;
-La recherche du dialogue pour la paix, la fraternité et le développement.
-Elles décident de travailler ensemble à l'amélioration de l'Homme et de la Société. »
"

vu le nombre d'obédience et de branche dans la franc-maçonnerie, les condamnées tous est un peu rapide...
d'un point de vue historique, cela ne me choque pas que des groupes d'humains ont essayé de former des confréries sur un certain nombre de valeur. Maintenant, à notre époque, que cela reste opaque est très dommageable je suis bien d'accord...

et quand bien même... tu crois qu'il est tous seul ?
les militants qui sont derrières sont franc-maçons aussi ?
ils veut redonner de la démocratie au peuple ou que au franc-maçon ?

heureusement qu'il est pas sioniste en plus... au fait, il paraît qu'il travaille pour les RG mais chuttt...
le 17/06/2011 par grandmereenpetard
Et bien le seul fait qu'il fasse parti de cette organisation judaïque qui ne dit pas son nom me suffit.
Dès lors, tout le catéchisme droit-de-l'hommiste laïciste habituel s’effondre.
le 17/06/2011 par dug
bien sur...

et dans le CNR, aucun franc-maçon ?
et le programme commun de 81, de Mittérand le franc-maçon, c'est du vent aussi ?
bon bah effectivement, laissons partir nos acquis, n'essayons pas de reprendre du pouvoir sur le système financier, c'est sur qu'un vote pour le front de gauche c'est donner du pouvoir au franc maçon... tout est lié !
 
 
 
le 19/06/2011 par totokop
Ces Les Thèse de Soral que JLM est Franc Macon , il est même lister Sioniste ses pour dire ...... Il a était inviter en 2008 je crois a faire un débat sur la Laïcité dans un Loge celle du Grand Orient et depuis il est lister Franc maçon , nombres d élus en tout genre sont inviter a parler dans les loges donc ils sont tous Franc Macon , De Gaulle lui même avez fut inviter plusieurs a la Libération notamment pour le remercie de sont engagement contre les Nazi lui aussi était Franc Macon , Mitterrand aussi puisqu Dame Soleil qui travaillez a TF1 a ce moment la disez qu il l était , evidament sa arrange toujours les même ( L extrême droite ) et leur Thèse JudéoMaconique Satanique qui nous niquent mais bon passons puisque la Messe est dit , ainsi soi il t il .......... même s il est maçon je ne voit pas en quoi il serrez pour que l Extrême droite qui passe leur temps a les chasser depuis des siècles , m enfin bon la mémoire fout le camp même sur internet , parsque les Macon n ont jamais était chasser ni les Juifs d ailleurs et oui puisqu ont vous le dit , ses Soral qui vous le dit ses donc que ces vrai
le 19/06/2011 par tyty
soral est parano
 
 
le 19/06/2011 par totokop
L'espoir est la plus grande entrave à la vie. En prévoyant demain, aujourd'hui se perd.

J aimait bien Mitterrand François lol pourtant je sais qu il a fait des conneries mais qui n en fait pas ?? beaucoup aujourd hui le regrette et je parle pas des Politique mais des gens qui vivez quand même bien mieux sous Mitterrand , bon ses vrai que pour cette histoire d Euro il na pas être très judicieux ,Il était Franc Macon d après Madame Soleil lol , la même qui travaillez ou ??? bien sur ce fut récupérez et par qui Svp ??? ses possible qu il l était mais lui je me souvient pas l avoir dit l étant !

Pour Attali et JLM tes vache la il est invité a débattre sur les finance etc... , ces pas lui qui la sollicité , il partage certaine de ces réflexion mais bon nombre de fois il l attaque sur ses billet ou autre , je me rappel d un rapport qu Attali avait fait parsque Sarkosy lui avez demandez et le seul qui l avez attaquer Politiquement s était JLM ya quoi 2 ou 3 ans de sa ses pas si vœux mais si tu me crois pas je le chercherez , bien que je risque de galérez je les pas garder au chaud

As propos les amis comment t allez vous tous ??? moi je rame grave sur le site , j aimerez reprendre par plus souvent mais ses vraiment la misère , d ou vient le probleme de lague ?? Antidote me dit que lui ne Rame pas , Mais Émeline me dit qu elle aussi lague , alors je ne comprend pas !

as Bientôt et salutation bande d affreux lol

Arnaud JLM ne te fait pas la morale mais toi tu te cache aussi avec tes changer soi etc... oui mais l un n empêche pas l autre ..... en quoi sa empêche de participer , de partager etc... ?? rien , l individu "soi " le collectif "nous " sont opposé parsqu ont le veut et oui car se sont 2 forces présente mais ses l humain qui les oppose et ne veut qu un pour disposez ............. ta pas confiance ok mais cherche pas des excuses lol , JLM te fait peur ??? et s il était vraiment Franc Macon alors la boucle est boucler celons toi ?

Tu sais entre nous moi je m en tape qu il soit Macon pas Franc , sioniste puisqu les même qui l ont étiqueter le dise sioniste aussi , pied noir , Gauchiste etc??? Utopique sa ses de moi lol , je m en tape , moi je marche aux cœur quand les ondes qu il dégrades n attendrons plus ma Pierre lol alors peut être la je regarderez les ont dit

En attendant j apprend politiquement lol Citoyenement etc... l engagement
Salutation les Fripons lol !
 
 
le 16/06/2011 par tyty
il est la pour éponger toutes les fuites

il a la couleur de
il sent le
il ressemble a , , , , , Mais , ce n'en est pas

ça me désole , mais , y a rien a attendre de bon de sa part
 
 
le 15/06/2011 par grandmereenpetard
Une honte !
 
 
 
le 15/06/2011 par cho7
Bonjour a tous ceux qui continuent de jeter un oeil ou une info.....! L'admin ou ce qu'il en reste n'est pas tres correct.....bref.

Je voulais laisser quelques news d'Athenes, vu que l'on en parle beaucoup dans nos medias depuis hier.
Les manifs sont tout les jours depuis bientot 6 mois avec plus ou moins d'importance.
On s'evertue a nous parler des indignes, ils deviennent mediatiquement credible ou bankable, au choix.
Je veux juste remettre une fois de plus quelques points sur certaines infos que l'on ne dit jamais ou presque dans les medias francais.
Donc d'apres eux comme je l'ai entendu aujourd'hui, ca serait la faute du maquillage des comptes et notament du deficit due aux depenses de l'armee !

Certes cela y a participe, mais cela fait 30 piges que les gouvernements se succedent et que la corruption fait un malheur, et a tous les niveaux, pas seulement politiques........Donc lorsque je vois des pancartes qui disent "On ne veut pas payer pour vos erreures" je dis et ne suis pas le seul bien sur qu'ils sont tous fautifs.......C'est un probleme culturel......

Ils n'ont cesse et surtout sous la droite de mettre des fonctionnaires en place pour recuperer des votes, si bien que maintenant, les chiffres officiels donnent 1 Grecs actifs sur 4 est fonctionnaire, mais la realite est bien pire et l'on est tres proches du 1 pour 2.

Je ne parle meme pas de l'efficacite ou encore des salaires......c'est dramatique, parfois comique ou sympathique mais souvent frustrant et deprimant.

Certains chauffeurs de trains par exemple sont payes 7000 euros/mois ou bus 3000......ensuite y'a les fonctionnaires qui peuvent gagner jusqu'a 10000 pour foutre des coups de tampons pendant trois heures par jour.
Bref c'est le grand n'importe quoi.
Donc ils ne veulent rien changer !!! faut arreter un peu.

En fait ils se battent pour garder ce que l'on aurait coutume d'appeler des acquis, sauf que la c'est plus des acquis mais du vol. Quand tu les vois en plus ne rien foutre c'est frustrant pour ceux qui se cassent vraiment le cul pour ramener de quoi bouffer.

Evidement tout les fonctionnaires ne sont pas des feignasses, mais une grande majorite ont ete place dans un bureau a ne rien faire.

Et la coruption est partout, si tu veux que ta femme accouche convenablement dans le public, il faut sortir l'enveloppe.....1000euros en moyenne.

Enfin la liste est longue et personne n'en parle, donc qu'ils aillent manifeste mais les mesures d'austerite sont necessaires, pas seulement pour eviter la faillite mais aussi pour arreter ce systeme et ca passe forcement par une coupe dans les fonctionnaires.

La grece est prise entre deux feux, le fait de garder leur cultures et leur facon de faire, notament du business et l'autre de gratter aupres de l'europe, car ils ne produisent quasiment rien, et donc de devoir se plier a quelques regles.

Faut choisir !

Sur ceux, Ya na doume ti tha geini
le 15/06/2011 par dug
heu... tu as des sources sur tes "infos" ?

"notament du deficit due aux depenses de l'armee !"
l'europe n'a rien fait pour améliorer le problème entre la grèce et la turquie sur la crète... cela aurait pu et du être son rôle...

il y a plus de fonctionnaires parce qu'il y a plus de secteur au public en grèce... ce que je souhaite pour la france aussi. Il suffit de voir comment le privé a tout détruit en angleterre ou ailleurs...
si les italiens ont voté pour avoir le secteur de l'eau dans le public, ce n'est pas pour rien...

mais bon, certain pense que le public n'amène que des fainéants et des assistés, en attendant, france telecom public a tout inventé sur l'adsl et depuis que c'est au privé, il y a des suicides...

bref, et tes histoires sur les salaires mirobolant, tu peux m'expliquer pourquoi on n'est pas envahis de touriste grec plein de tune ?
et pourquoi il n'accouche pas à l'étranger plutôt que de donner une "enveloppe" ?

du grand n'importe quoi...
et 6 mois de grèves, tu crois que cela ne pose pas de problème de tune ?

mais bon, continuons... ils se sont fait dépouiller leurs pays, mais c'est bien fais pour eux biensur... ils ont une note triple C, pire que cuba ou que l'angola, mais c'est normal ?

tu as vu la différence de prix depuis le passage au privé du gaz, electricité, eau, santé, etc...
peut être qu'il avait un bon train de vie parce qu'il avait des services publiques... service et non entreprise privé cherchant le profit...
et peut être qu'ils se sont fait attaquer par la finance parce qu'ils n'étaient pas un bon exemple pour les autres pays capitaliste...

enfin bon, chacun sont point de vue...
le 15/06/2011 par cho7
Chier ça a buggé, donc je recommence.....

Oui j'ai quelques sources, tout d'abords je te laisse ce lien concernant les chiffres volontairement erronés par le gouvernement Karamanlis......désolé chuis pas très bon en super lien !
http://fr.euronews.net/2004/12/01/une-nouvelle-procedure-ouverte-contre-la-grece/

Ensuite j'habite Athènes depuis quelques années, pas expat je précise, et suis marié a une grecque. Je parle et travaille grec.

Tu dis:
il y a plus de fonctionnaires parce qu'il y a plus de secteur au public en grèce. Faux.

Il y a 11 millions d'habitants en grèce, 5 millions de la population active et officiellement un peu plus d'1 million de fonctionnaires. Déjà, rien que les proportions, ça devrait t'interpelé.
Ensuite si le service était et il devrait être super bon. C'est juste l'enfer.

Pour exemple personnel, lorsque tu dois allé chercher un papier administratif c'est le périple. Tout d'abords tu dois faire attention aux horaires, car ils ouvrent en moyenne 4 heures par jour quand il n'y a pas grêve. Ensuite c'est la valse des bureaux a des étages differents pour prendre une signature par ci, un tampon par là et tu te retrouves face a une femme qui fume sa clope et qui est là que pour noter ton nom dans un registre car rien n'est informatisé. Et tu passes comme ça deux heures a passer de bureau en bureau pour au final t'entendre dire que si tu veux ta signature sur ton document et ben faudrait peut etre passer par un tel car il peut faire allé les choses plus vite.Enfin c'est un exemple.

Mais j'en ai d'autres.
Une amie a accouché l'an dernier, elle est au chomage et lui dans le batiment, roule pas sur l'or. Ils connaissaient le système des enveloppes dans les maternité, mais n'avaient prévu que 500 euros. Ils ont donc donné leur enveloppe et le médecin leur a dit que la deuxième de 500 sera pour après l'accouchement.

Tu ne payes quasiment rien par virement ici, ou carte. Lorsque tu dois payer ton portable ou ton éléctricité (donc encore service public) c'est uniquement en cash au guichet.

En ce qui concerne les salaires, renseigne toi, j'essayerais de te trouver des liens......

Mais le plus grave pour moi et c'est bien ça qu'il faut comprendre et que personne ne dit en France alors que tout le monde en parle ici, c'est les personnes mise a des postes pour avoir leurs votes. C'est de notorieté public ici, c'est ça qui est fou.

Je ne dis pas que leur notes est normal mais il faut bien comprendre une chose. La Grèce est encore tenu par quelques familles qui contrôlent le pays tu ne verra pas un grand groupe comme carrefour venir ici et zapper les locaux, et les grecs sont propriétaires a plus de 80% et je pense que cela fait bien chier tout le monde à Bruxelles car à côté de ça, la Grèce ça coute cher, très cher à l'Europe.

Continuons, bien sur que 6 mois de grêve, ça fait mal, comme la TVA a 23% mais il ne faut pas confondre, les gens qui défendent leur 13ème et 14ème mois et les autres qui rament car ils ne peuvent plus acheter a bouffer et qu'ils n'ont plus de boulot.

C'est comme les manifs, alors tu as les partis politique, les syndicats, les anarchistes et maintenant les indignés(dixit media francais),plus les gens qui n'ont plus rien c'est le bordel et chacuns défend son steak, c'est normal. Mais ce que l'on perçoit comme une révolte contre le capitalisme dans les medias en France n'est pas vraiment le même son de cloche ici dans la rue.

Je peux te dire que mon éléctricité, je la payes assez cher, tout est plus cher ici.

Quand je dis tous fautif, je le pense reellement, c'est dur a dire et certainement dur a entendre, mais ils ont une manière de fonctionner dans tous les domaines dailleurs qui est invraisemblable par moment. Je ne suis pas licencié de commerce ou capitaliste dans l'âme, très loin de là, mais lorsque tu constates que des choses ne marchent pas, et que tu en connait les causes, même si elle sont dur a entendre, je pense qu'il faut les dire. C'est un système, je suis pas en train de dire tous pourris, mais y'a du taff grave.

Je pourrais t'en parler des heures, y'a pleins d'autres sujets a aborder, et c'est un pays que j'adore, ma deuxième patrie, mais j'en viens a la conclusion que finalement ce sera desormais que pour les vacances.

C'était un de mes points de vue
le 16/06/2011 par dug
merci de partager ton expérience.

sur le nombre de fonctionnaire, en france, il y en aurait 1 sur 5 de travailleur assimilé public.
http://www.observatoiredessubventions.com/2010/combien-de-fonctionnaires-en-france/
"D’après la Cour, au début de l’année 2008, les trois fonctions publiques (Etat, collectivités territoriales et hôpitaux) employaient au total 5,2 millions d’agents, dont près de la moitié (2,5 millions) pour l’Etat. Cela représente un peu plus de 20% de l’emploi total en France."

donc, le nombre de fonctionnaire ne change pas réellement les donnés du problème grec, à voir plutôt la façon dont ils sont gérés...

"tu te retrouves face a une femme qui fume sa clope et qui est là que pour noter ton nom dans un registre"
sinon, tu crois que c'est intéressant de faire un boulot de merde toute sa vie ? tu crois vraiment que c'est ce qu'ils souhaitent eux ? ils ont le choix ? peut-être qu'ils font grève aussi pour cela...

http://www.filoche.net/2011/06/06/en-grece-ils-sont-en-train-de-depecer-le-secteur-public-et-de-hacher-menu-les-droits-politiques-et-sociaux-de-la-population/
"Sans le moindre souci des dizaines de milliers de licenciement qui en résulteront, sans le moindre souci de fouler aux pieds les droits d’accès égalitaire à ces services pour des millions de Grecs, les services publics grecs sont vendus à l’encan."
"Trente entreprises dans lesquelles l’État détient la totalité ou une partie du capital devront être livrées au secteur privé : OTE (numéro un des Telecoms) ; Trainose (la compagnie nationale des chemins de fer) ; les ports du Pirée (Athènes) et de Salonique ; le groupe gazier DEPA ; les licences de téléphonie mobile ; les société des eaux d’Athènes et de Salonique ; l’aéroport international d’Athènes ; la société d’autoroutes Egnatia Odos ; la Poste hellénique ; les ports régionaux ; DEI Électricité de Grèce ; les aéroports régionaux, les participations de l’État dans les banques grecques ; la Banque postale ; la Banque agricole ATE ; la Caisse des dépôts et consignations …"

ils vont devenir quoi tous les chômeurs à part une charge pour l'état... ou sinon, on laisse crevé les voleurs ?

au faite, c'est qui les voleurs ?
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En échange d’argent frais, le gouvernement grec aurait renoncé à des revenus futurs, affirmait le New York Times…
Une nouvelle fois des banques américaines étaient sur la sellette. Le New York Times avait révélé que plusieurs établissements financiers dont Goldman Sachs et JPMorgan Chase, auraient mis au point un système complexe qui aurait permis à la Grèce de dissimuler l’ampleur de sa dette durant les dix dernières années."

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http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mario_Draghi
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Je ne dis pas qu'il n'y a pas de problème en grèce, mais est-ce que vendre tout les secteurs publiques et autres îles vont améliorer la situation à long terme pour le peuple ?
le 16/06/2011 par cho7
Ecoute, il faut bien comprendre qu'en Grece, jusqu'a maintenant, c'etait la course et la chasse au bonne planque dans l'administration. C'etait parfois toute une famille qui etait place dans un bureau, qui contenait en fait deux chaises et quatres murs.....Il y a eu et on en trouve encore des cas de poste fantomes et beaucoup. Donc lorsque tu sais, car ils le savent pour la plupart, que tu vas etre place la car ton pere est en bonne relation avec le politique et qu'en echange il va lui offrir ces vois et peut etre lui construire un villa (c'est evidement un exemple) et bien je trouve qu'ils sont tous fautifs et j'utilise le terme voleur pour ceux la, car il font payer tout le monde avec leurs magouilles pourris, ou celui qui prends 7000euros par mois et qui vient casser les couilles parcequ'il ne va pas avoir son 14eme mois, c'est peut etre pas une majorite, mais cela existe et c'est ce qui a fait pourrir la situation.

Y'a juste trop de fonctionnaire, le systeme est inefficace et surcharge, y'a pas besoin d'etre economiste pour s'en rendre compte.

Comprends moi bien, je ne soutiens pas la politique de Papandreou, je trouve qu'il s'y prend tres mal, notament avec la TVA et les coupes des retraites trop franches et surtout il n'y a rien pour relancer, c'est que de la coupe.
 
 
 
le 16/06/2011 par tasmant
Tiens, Dug, en passant..
Je suis anar confirmé, donc, mondialiste...
Je suis du genre à flinguer le privé au delà d'un chiffre d'affaire d'1 million d'€
A limiter tout salaire au delà de 500 00 €
Et je pense que ça se tient.
Par contre je suis pour flinguer tous les Etats et tous les sysyèmes économiques périmés, en les remplaçant par des trucs-machins ultra solides, des systèmes d'échange et des règles auxquels tout le monde pourrais redire mais devrais juger, avec l'éducation ad-hoc....
le 16/06/2011 par dug
je suis d'accord avec toi, sauf que dans les faits, limiter les salaires excessif, géré un protectionniste, et mettre en route un réel changement écologique de la société, on a besoin d'un état fort pour cela, en contre poids du système financier.

ensuite, quand les mentalités changeront pour des nouvelles valeurs humaniste et écologique, on pourra géré tout ce merdier tous ensemble...
en attendant de trouver les "trucs-machins ultra solides", la 1ère partie du plan étant nécessaire pour passer à la suivante, je me contenterai d'un Mélenchon pour amorcer le virage, c'est cela faire des compromis, on ne peut pas tous vouloir son utopie sans le concilier avec celui des autres...

je dois être anar aussi :) le pouvoir ne doit être centralisé dans aucune main...
le 16/06/2011 par arnaud3333
Mélenchon qui admire Mitterand, Mélenchon qui écoute oreille grande ouverte Jaques Attali ! Attali conseillé de Mittérand, Attali mondialiste, Malthusien. Et Mittérand et Mélenchon Franc Maçon, bon ça fait partie de l'élite, Mélenchon le dit lui même, bref ça fait trop pour moi et je ferais tout pour contredire ceux qui voit en lui l'espoir, l'espoir c'est croire, l'espoir c'est tout laisser tombé ce qui doit être fait dans le présent, l'espoir c'est ceux qui savent nous manipulé avec des mots, l'espoir c'est donné de son énergie au futur et laisser tomber le présent.
Croire en soi, se changer soi même et être un exemple de se que l'on es, être en accord avec soi, vouloir changer le monde c'est se fuir, Mélenchon m'a fait la morale, à mon tour.
le 19/06/2011 par totokop
L'espoir est la plus grande entrave à la vie. En prévoyant demain, aujourd'hui se perd.

J aimait bien Mitterrand François lol pourtant je sais qu il a fait des conneries mais qui n en fait pas ?? beaucoup aujourd hui le regrette et je parle pas des Politique mais des gens qui vivez quand même bien mieux sous Mitterrand , bon ses vrai que pour cette histoire d Euro il na pas être très judicieux ,Il était Franc Macon d après Madame Soleil lol , la même qui travaillez ou ??? bien sur ce fut récupérez et par qui Svp ??? ses possible qu il l était mais lui je me souvient pas l avoir dit l étant !

Pour Attali et JLM tes vache la il est invité a débattre sur les finance etc... , ces pas lui qui la sollicité , il partage certaine de ces réflexion mais bon nombre de fois il l attaque sur ses billet ou autre , je me rappel d un rapport qu Attali avait fait parsque Sarkosy lui avez demandez et le seul qui l avez attaquer Politiquement s était JLM ya quoi 2 ou 3 ans de sa ses pas si vœux mais si tu me crois pas je le chercherez , bien que je risque de galérez je les pas garder au chaud

As propos les amis comment t allez vous tous ??? moi je rame grave sur le site , j aimerez reprendre par plus souvent mais ses vraiment la misère , d ou vient le probleme de lague ?? Antidote me dit que lui ne Rame pas , Mais Émeline me dit qu elle aussi lague , alors je ne comprend pas !

as Bientôt et salutation bande d affreux lol

Arnaud JLM ne te fait pas la morale mais toi tu te cache aussi avec tes changer soi etc... oui mais l un n empêche pas l autre ..... en quoi sa empêche de participer , de partager etc... ?? rien , l individu "soi " le collectif "nous " sont opposé parsqu ont le veut et oui car se sont 2 forces présente mais ses l humain qui les oppose et ne veut qu un pour disposez ............. ta pas confiance ok mais cherche pas des excuses lol , JLM te fait peur ??? et s il était vraiment Franc Macon alors la boucle est boucler celons toi ?

Tu sais entre nous moi je m en tape qu il soit Macon pas Franc , sioniste puisqu les même qui l ont étiqueter le dise sioniste aussi , pied noir , Gauchiste etc??? Utopique sa ses de moi lol , je m en tape , moi je marche aux cœur quand les ondes qu il dégrades n attendrons plus ma Pierre lol alors peut être la je regarderez les ont dit

En attendant j apprend politiquement lol Citoyenement etc... l engagement
Salutation les Fripons lol !
 
 
 
 
 
 
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le 17/07/2011 par kenovo
Le PS est content aujourd'hui.Ils ont eu une idée.Qui sert a rien mais une idée, tout de même ,ca se fête.
C'est Eva Joly qui l'a eu.
Un coup de génie dont on se fout royal ou pas (du point de vue des priorités que devraient incarner les idées de gauche)!!!!
Le 14 juillet a retirer!!!!!
Ouais c'est l'idée qui va détroner tout les autres!!!!
Avec un programme comme ça on est tous gagnant!!!!
Non y suffirait qu'il aient des idées de gauche et c'est tout!!!! (je dirais même !!!)
Non y suffiraient qu'iils aient des idées.....
Y se foutent de la geule du monde, hier c'était Une des plus grandes infos LCI!!!
 
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le 10/10/2011 par macquart
salut,
je reviens sur le web2zero, apres une longue absence !
Mais c'est fini ici ou quoi ? il n'y a plus de nouvelles video depuis des mois !!!
si c'est bien le cas, Bontempi je vais jouer de l'orgue !
le 10/10/2011 par wkd
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